Re: Does pgAdmin have to double-quote table and - Mailing list pgadmin-support

Hi Dave and thanks for responding.

I have to worry about the SQL syntax because practically the first thing I
did after using pgAdmin to create the tables was to try to write a stored
proceedure with pgAdmin against the table. The stored proceedure wouldn't
work until I manually added the double quotes. Naturally as a novice I
didn't know about needing the double quotes. pgAdmin automatically adds the
double quotes at table creation time but does not for the stored
proceedures, and the error returned (ERROR relation "item" does not exist)
doesn't exactly give one a clue that the issue is missing double quotes. The
pgAdmin GUI I'm sure it not supposed to provide complete isolation from SQL
syntax...it was an issue for me right away.

The second part of what you wrote adds to my confusion. You're saying that
ultimately pgsql is strict about lowercase on everything unless double
quoted, tho internally it is looser than that. Essentially then pgAdmin is
automatically adding the double quotes to names like Item as a safety
measure, knowing that eventually the double quotes will likely be important?

It's confusing because in the other mailing list I seem to have been told
simply that the issue I ran into was due to a habit of pgAdmin. In a way you
confirm, but clarify that pdAdmin is doing it for 'my own good'?




Dave Page-3 wrote:
> 
> novnov wrote:
>> I am having a discussion re pgsql double quoting or not in the General
>> mailing list, it's buried in the thread titled "Simple stored procedure
>> examples?" As far as I understand things, pgsql ignores case, unless I
>> explicitly use surround table and field names etc with double quotes. If
>> I
>> use the double quotes then pgsql requires me to use referenece those
>> objects
>> using double quotes and the exact case that I did originally. I'm not
>> even
>> sure that I'm correct about all of that, but if I am, it seems that
>> pgAdmin
>> is adding an uneccessary layer by automaticallly double quoting table and
>> field names that are not all lowercase. 
> 
> pgAdmin is a GUI app that is designed to shield users from 
> implementation details wherever possible. When you create a table, you 
> don't need to know the SQL syntax, so why should you know about quoting 
> issues?
> 
>> This is important to me because I want to use namestyles like Item and
>> ItemName, and I don't want to have to double quote every table and field
>> reference. It seems that pgsql itself is fine with my preferred style but
>> that pgAdmin is effectively preventing it? I like pgAdmin otherwise so
>> I'd
>> prefer not to have to hunt down a different editor.
> 
> in psql you're not using your preferred naming style as PostgreSQL will 
> be downcasing the names for you unless you quote them. The queries may 
> work, but as soon as you attach an ODBC app, .NET app, Java app or 
> whatever, it will see all the names in lowercase.
> 
> Regards, Dave.
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