Re: PATCH: generate fractional cheapest paths in generate_orderedappend_path - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

From Arne Roland
Subject Re: PATCH: generate fractional cheapest paths in generate_orderedappend_path
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Msg-id 6be31b4511c8424db3deeff5c5b8855e@index.de
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In response to Re: PATCH: generate fractional cheapest paths in generate_orderedappend_path  (Arne Roland <A.Roland@index.de>)
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Hi Tomas,


I don't think there is much work left to do here.

Did you have a look at the test case? Did it make sense to you? 

And I am sorry. I had another look at this and it seems I was confused (again).

From: Arne Roland
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 13:00
To: Tomas Vondra; pgsql-hackers
Subject: Re: PATCH: generate fractional cheapest paths in generate_orderedappend_path

> I think it should. We have a ParallelAppend node after all.
> I'm not really familiar with the way get_cheapest_fractional_path_for_pathkeys is used, but a quick search suggests to
> me, that build_minmax_path was thus far the only one using it. And minmax paths are never parallel safe anyway. I think that is the reason it doesn't do that already.

The whole segment were are talking about obviously assumes require_parallel_safe is not needed. I wasn't aware that in set_append_rel_size. And I just realized there is a great comment explaining why it rightfully does so:
         /*  
         * If any live child is not parallel-safe, treat the whole appendrel
         * as not parallel-safe.  In future we might be able to generate plans
         * in which some children are farmed out to workers while others are
         * not; but we don't have that today, so it's a waste to consider
         * partial paths anywhere in the appendrel unless it's all safe.
         * (Child rels visited before this one will be unmarked in
         * set_append_rel_pathlist().)
         */
So afaik we don't need to think further about this.


From: Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@enterprisedb.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 22:57
To: Zhihong Yu
Cc: Arne Roland; pgsql-hackers
Subject: Re: PATCH: generate fractional cheapest paths in generate_orderedappend_path
> Actually, there are two comments
>
>        /* XXX maybe we should have startup_new_fractional? */
>
> in the patch I posted - I completely forgot about that. But I think
> that's a typo, I think - it should be
>
>         /* XXX maybe we should have startup_neq_fractional? */
>
> and the new flag would work similarly to startup_neq_total, i.e. it's
> pointless to add paths where startup == fractional cost.
>
> At least I think that was the idea when I wrote the patch, it way too
> long ago.

> Sorry, I almost forgot about this myself. I only got reminded upon seeing that again with different queries/tables.
> Just to be sure I get this correctly: You mean startup_gt_fractional (cost) as an additional condition, right?

Could you clarify that for me?

Regards
Arne

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