Re: Machine available for community use - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

From Stefan Kaltenbrunner
Subject Re: Machine available for community use
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Msg-id 46A790B3.8030006@kaltenbrunner.cc
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In response to Re: Machine available for community use  (Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>)
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Tom Lane wrote:
> Greg Smith <gsmith@gregsmith.com> writes:
>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, Tom Lane wrote:
>>> Gentoo always leaves me wondering exactly what I'm running today,
>>> and I think reproducibility is an important attribute for a benchmarking
>>> machine.
> 
>> At this point, there's enough performance variations even between 
>> individual Linux kernel releases that I'm not sure how much 
>> reproducibility you're ever going to get here.  Are the differences 
>> between Gentoo and RHEL any bigger than those, say, between RHEL and SuSE?
> 
> The problem I've got with Gentoo is that it encourages homegrown builds
> with randomly-chosen options and compiler switches.  That may help
> squeeze out a bit more speed but it does nothing for stability, nor
> reproduceability of results on other platforms which is what we really
> care about here.
> 
> Another fairly big issue is that we need to know whether measurements we
> take in August are comparable to measurements we take in October, so a
> fairly stable platform is important.  As you say, a fast-changing kernel
> would make it difficult to have any confidence about comparability over
> time.  That would tend to make me vote for RHEL/Centos, where long-term
> stability is an explicit development goal.  Debian stable might do too,
> though I'm not as clear about their update criteria as I am about Red Hat's.

Fully agreed (on the RH/CentOS and longterm stability stuff) debian is
even more stricter/conservatve than RH usually - they only have security
bugs and on very rare occation bugfixes for major issues(RH sometimes
adds new features and stuff in their point-releases).
Debian etch seems to be (very) slightly relaxing that - and in fact a
number of people were very surprised to see PostgreSQL updated from
8.1.8 (as shipped in etch) to 8.1.9 with the latest security release :-)
I would agree however that gentoo and also slackware are not "that"
attractive for this kind of work.


Stefan


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