Re: SyncRepLock acquired exclusively in default configuration - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

On 2020/04/10 20:56, Masahiko Sawada wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 18:57, Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@oss.nttdata.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2020/04/10 14:11, Masahiko Sawada wrote:
>>> On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 13:20, Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@oss.nttdata.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2020/04/08 3:01, Ashwin Agrawal wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 2:14 PM Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de <mailto:andres@anarazel.de>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>        > How about we change it to this ?
>>>>>
>>>>>       Hm. Better. But I think it might need at least a compiler barrier /
>>>>>       volatile memory load?  Unlikely here, but otherwise the compiler could
>>>>>       theoretically just stash the variable somewhere locally (it's not likely
>>>>>       to be a problem because it'd not be long ago that we acquired an lwlock,
>>>>>       which is a full barrier).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's the part, I am not fully sure about. But reading the comment above SyncRepUpdateSyncStandbysDefined(), it
seemsfine.
 
>>>>>
>>>>>        > Bring back the check which existed based on GUC but instead of just blindly
>>>>>        > returning based on just GUC not being set, check
>>>>>        > WalSndCtl->sync_standbys_defined. Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>>       Hm. Is there any reason not to just check
>>>>>       WalSndCtl->sync_standbys_defined? rather than both !SyncStandbysDefined()
>>>>>       and WalSndCtl->sync_standbys_defined?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Agree, just checking for WalSndCtl->sync_standbys_defined seems fine.
>>>>
>>>> So the consensus is something like the following? Patch attached.
>>>>
>>>>            /*
>>>> -        * Fast exit if user has not requested sync replication.
>>>> +        * Fast exit if user has not requested sync replication, or there are no
>>>> +        * sync replication standby names defined.
>>>>             */
>>>> -       if (!SyncRepRequested())
>>>> +       if (!SyncRepRequested() ||
>>>> +               !((volatile WalSndCtlData *) WalSndCtl)->sync_standbys_defined)
>>>>                    return;
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think we need more comments describing why checking
>>> sync_standby_defined without SyncRepLock is safe here. For example:
>>
>> Yep, agreed!
>>
>>> This routine gets called every commit time. So, to check if the
>>> synchronous standbys is defined as quick as possible we check
>>> WalSndCtl->sync_standbys_defined without acquiring SyncRepLock. Since
>>> we make this test unlocked, there's a change we might fail to notice
>>> that it has been turned off and continue processing.
>>
>> Does this really happen? I was thinking that the problem by not taking
>> the lock here is that SyncRepWaitForLSN() can see that shared flag after
>> SyncRepUpdateSyncStandbysDefined() wakes up all the waiters and
>> before it sets the flag to false. Then if SyncRepWaitForLSN() adds  itself
>> into the wait queue becaues the flag was true, without lock, it may keep
>> sleeping infinitely.
> 
> I think that because a backend does the following check after
> acquiring SyncRepLock, in that case, once the backend has taken
> SyncRepLock it can see that sync_standbys_defined is false and return.

Yes, but the backend can see that sync_standby_defined indicates false
whether holding SyncRepLock or not, after the checkpointer sets it to false.

> But you meant that we do both checks without SyncRepLock?

Maybe No. The change that the latest patch provides should be applied, I think.
That is, sync_standbys_defined should be check without lock at first, then
only if it's true, it should be checked again with lock.

ISTM that basically SyncRepLock is used in SyncRepWaitForLSN() and
SyncRepUpdateSyncStandbysDefined() to make operation on the queue
and enabling sync_standbys_defined atomic. Without lock, the issue that
the comment in SyncRepUpdateSyncStandbysDefined() explains would
happen. That is, the backend may keep waiting infinitely as follows.

1. checkpointer calls SyncRepUpdateSyncStandbysDefined()
2. checkpointer sees that the flag indicates true but the config indicates false
3. checkpointer takes lock and wakes up all the waiters
4. backend calls SyncRepWaitForLSN() can see that the flag indicates true
5. checkpointer sets the flag to false and releases the lock
6. backend adds itself to the queue and wait until it's waken up, but will not happen immediately

So after the backend sees that the flag indicates true without lock,
it must check the flag again with lock immediately without operating
the queue. If this my understanding is right, I was thinking that
the comment should mention these things.

>      /*
>       * We don't wait for sync rep if WalSndCtl->sync_standbys_defined is not
>       * set.  See SyncRepUpdateSyncStandbysDefined.
>       *
>       * Also check that the standby hasn't already replied. Unlikely race
>       * condition but we'll be fetching that cache line anyway so it's likely
>       * to be a low cost check.
>       */
>      if (!WalSndCtl->sync_standbys_defined ||
>          lsn <= WalSndCtl->lsn[mode])
>      {
>          LWLockRelease(SyncRepLock);
>          return;
>      }
> 
>>
>>> But since the
>>> subsequent check will check it again while holding SyncRepLock, it's
>>> no problem. Similarly even if we fail to notice that it has been
>>> turned on
>> Is this true? ISTM that after SyncRepUpdateSyncStandbysDefined()
>> sets the flag to true, SyncRepWaitForLSN() basically doesn't seem
>> to fail to notice that. No?
> 
> What I wanted to say is, in the current code, while the checkpointer
> process is holding SyncRepLock to turn off sync_standbys_defined,
> backends who reach SyncRepWaitForLSN() wait for the lock. Then, after
> the checkpointer process releases SyncRepLock these backend can
> enqueue themselves to the wait queue because they can see that
> sync_standbys_defined is turned on.

In this case, since the checkpointer turned the flag off while holding
the lock, the backend sees that the flag is turned off, and doesn't
enqueue itself. No?

> On the other hand if we do the
> check without SyncRepLock, backends who reach SyncRepWaitForLSN() will
> return instead of waiting, in spite of checkpointer process being
> turning on sync_standbys_defined. Which means these backends are
> failing to notice that it has been turned on, I thought.

No. Or I'm missing something... In this case, the backend sees that
the flag is turned on without lock since checkpointer turned it on.
So you're thinking the following. Right?

1. sync_standbys_defined flag is false
2. checkpointer takes the lock and turns the flag on
3. backend sees the flag
4. checkpointer releases the lock

In #3, the flag indicates true, I think. But you think it's false?

Regards,

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Fujii Masao
Advanced Computing Technology Center
Research and Development Headquarters
NTT DATA CORPORATION