Re: Code of Conduct plan - Mailing list pgsql-general

From Jeremy Schneider
Subject Re: Code of Conduct plan
Date
Msg-id 22b4b042-c652-a4db-70a9-84196c51fa5e@amazon.com
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In response to Re: Code of Conduct plan  (Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>)
Responses Re: Code of Conduct plan  (Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>)
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## note: these are my personal opinions and views

On 6/3/18 11:29, Tom Lane wrote:
> We are now asking for a final round of community comments.
> Please send any public comments to the pgsql-general list (only).
> If you wish to make a private comment, you may send it to
> coc@postgresql.org.

This email thread is so long that it's easy to spend more time on the
emails than the CoC itself!

My main feedback on the CoC is that it doesn't really say anything about
what to do if the complaint is against a core team member. This was
mentioned elsewhere in the email thread and I'm a bit surprised there's
nothing explicit in the CoC. If someone feels they have been treated in
a grossly inappropriate manner by a core team member, is it worthwhile
to report this? I think they'd want to know a little more about what the
process will be for that special case.

I haven't reviewed CoC's from other open source projects recently, but
sexual harassment policies at non-technical organizations where I
volunteer do explicitly cover the case of complaints against leaders. So
maybe it's a gap worth closing.

The sorts of issues that would be addressed here certainly are
complicated. I remember not too long ago when Brendan Eich was pressured
to resign as CEO of Mozilla (after only 11 days iirc) because he had a
particular political view unrelated to technology. I also think there
might be some merit to Lutz Horn's point about western bias in CoCs; we
should note concerns about propagating those values. (This isn't new;
e.g. Pope Francis called it ideological colonization in the news.) The
Mozilla case is not directly related to a CoC but it's still interesting
as it touches on how complicated these conversations can become.

https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/04/05/faq-on-ceo-resignation/


https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2014/04/11/did-mozilla-ceo-brendan-eich-deserve-to-be-removed-from-his-position-due-to-his-support-for-proposition-8/

Overall, having a CoC seems to me like a good thing to do. My
interactions with leaders in the PostgreSQL have been positive and it
feels like they will be good stewards of a CoC. I'm looking forward to
seeing one adopted.

-Jeremy

## note: these are my personal opinions and views

-- 
Jeremy Schneider
Database Engineer
Amazon Web Services


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