Re: add a MAC check for TRUNCATE - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

Greetings,

* Yuli Khodorkovskiy (yuli.khodorkovskiy@crunchydata.com) wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 3:25 PM Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net> wrote:
> > * Kohei KaiGai (kaigai@heterodb.com) wrote:
> > > 2019年7月25日(木) 3:52 Yuli Khodorkovskiy <yuli.khodorkovskiy@crunchydata.com>:
> > > > Since all DAC checks should have corresponding MAC, this patch adds a
> > > > hook to allow extensions to implement a MAC check on TRUNCATE. I have
> > > > also implemented this access check in the sepgsql extension.
> > > >
> > > > One important thing to note is that refpolicy [1] and Redhat based
> > > > distributions do not have the SELinux permission for db_table {truncate}
> > > > implemented.
> > > >
> > > How db_table:{delete} permission is different from truncate?
> > > >From the standpoint of data access, TRUNCATE is equivalent to DELETE
> > > without WHERE, isn't it?
> > > Of course, there are some differences between them. TRUNCATE takes
> > > exclusive locks and eliminates underlying data blocks, on the other hands,
> > > DELETE removes rows under MVCC manner. However, both of them
> > > eventually removes data from the target table.
> > >
> > > I like to recommend to reuse "db_table:{delete}" permission for TRUNCATE.
> > > How about your opinions?
> >
> > There's been much discussion and justifcation for adding an independent
> > TRUNCATE privilege to GRANT (which actually took many years to be
> > allowed).  I don't see why we wouldn't represent that as a different
> > privilege to external MAC systems.  If the external MAC system wishes to
> > use db_table:{delete} to decide if the privilege is allowed or not, they
> > can, but I don't think core should force that when we have them as
> > independent permissions.
> >
> > So, perhaps we can argue about what the sepgsql extension should do, but
> > it's clear that we should have an independent hook for this in core.
> >
> > Isn't there a way to allow an admin to control if db_table:{truncate} is
> > allowed for users with db_table:{delete}, or not?  Ideally, this could
> > be managed at the SELinux level instead of having to have something
> > different in sepgsql or core, but if it needs to be configurable there
> > too then hopefully we can come up with a good solution.
>
> If I understand you correctly, you are asking if an SELinux domain can
> have the db_table:{truncate} permission but not db_table:{delete}
> using SELinux policy? This would only work if the userspace object
> manager, sepgsql in this case, reaches out to the policy server to
> check if db_table:{truncate} is allowed for a subject accessing an
> object.

I was saying that, I believe, it would be pretty straight-forward for an
SELinux admin to add db_table:{truncate} to whatever set of individuals
are allowed to use db_table:{delete}.

> I think it should be okay to use db_table:{delete} as the permission
> to check for TRUNCATE in the object manager. I have attached a second
> version of the hook and sepgsql changes to demonstrate this.

There are actual reasons why the 'DELETE' privilege is *not* the same as
'TRUNCATE' in PostgreSQL and I'm really not convinced that we should
just be tossing that distinction out the window for users of SELinux.  A
pretty obvious one is that DELETE triggers don't get fired for a
TRUNCATE command, but TRUNCATE also doesn't follow the same MVCC rules
that the rest of the system does.

If TRUNCATE and DELETE were the same, we'd only have DELETE and we would
just make it super-fast by implementing it the way we implement
TRUNCATE.

Thanks,

Stephen