Re: Major features for 9.1

From: David Fetter
Subject: Re: Major features for 9.1
Date: ,
Msg-id: 20110407003933.GA9129@fetter.org
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In response to: Re: Major features for 9.1  (Joshua Berkus)
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Major features for 9.1  (Josh Berkus, )
 Re: Major features for 9.1  (Thom Brown, )
 Re: Major features for 9.1  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
 Re: Major features for 9.1  (Pavel Stehule, )
 Re: Major features for 9.1  (Guillaume Lelarge, )
  Re: Major features for 9.1  (phb07, )
 Re: Major features for 9.1  ("Kevin Grittner", )
  Re: Major features for 9.1  (Florian Weimer, )
 Re: Major features for 9.1  (Robert Bernier, )
  Re: Major features for 9.1  (David Fetter, )
 Re: Major features for 9.1  (Simon Riggs, )
  Re: Major features for 9.1  (Josh Berkus, )
   Re: Major features for 9.1  (Simon Riggs, )
    Re: Major features for 9.1  (Gilberto Castillo Martínez<>, )
    Re: Major features for 9.1  (David Fetter, )
   Re: Major features for 9.1  (Peter Eisentraut, )
    Re: Major features for 9.1  (David Fetter, )
     Re: Major features for 9.1  (Peter Eisentraut, )
   Re: Major features for 9.1  (Peter Eisentraut, )
    Re: Major features for 9.1  (Joshua Berkus, )
     Re: Major features for 9.1  (Andrew Lardinois, )
     Re: Major features for 9.1  ("Kevin Grittner", )
     Re: Major features for 9.1  (David Fetter, )
     Re: Major features for 9.1  (Greg Smith, )
      Re: Major features for 9.1  (Joshua Berkus, )
      Re: Major features for 9.1  (Bruce Momjian, )
    Re: Major features for 9.1  (Gilberto Castillo Martínez<>, )
   Re: Major features for 9.1  (Joshua Berkus, )
    Re: Major features for 9.1  (Peter Eisentraut, )
    Re: Major features for 9.1  (Oleg Bartunov, )
 Re: Major features for 9.1  (Emanuel Calvo, )
 Re: Major features for 9.1  ("Kevin Grittner", )
 Re: Major features for 9.1  ("Kevin Grittner", )
  Re: Major features for 9.1  (Jeff Davis, )
   Re: Major features for 9.1  ("Kevin Grittner", )
    Re: Major features for 9.1  (Oleg Bartunov, )
     Re: Major features for 9.1  (Gilberto Castillo Martínez<>, )
    Re: Major features for 9.1  (Jeff Davis, )
     Re: Major features for 9.1  ("Kevin Grittner", )
 Re: Major features for 9.1  ("Kevin Grittner", )
  Re: Major features for 9.1  (Gilberto Castillo Martínez<>, )
   Re: Major features for 9.1  ("Kevin Grittner", )
    Re: Major features for 9.1  (Andrew Lardinois, )
     Re: Major features for 9.1  ("Kevin Grittner", )
      Re: Major features for 9.1  ("Kevin Grittner", )
       Re: Major features for 9.1  (Andrew Lardinois, )
        Re: Major features for 9.1  ("Kevin Grittner", )
         Re: Major features for 9.1  (Andrew Lardinois, )
     Re: Major features for 9.1  (Simon Riggs, )
 Re: Major features for 9.1  (Aidan Van Dyk, )
 Re: Major features for 9.1  ("Kevin Grittner", )
  Re: Major features for 9.1  (Nikolas Everett, )
  Re: Major features for 9.1  (Josh Berkus, )
   Re: Major features for 9.1  ("Kevin Grittner", )
  Re: Major features for 9.1  (Roy Hann, )
   Re: Major features for 9.1  (Jeff Davis, )
    Re: Major features for 9.1  (Peter Eisentraut, )
     Re: Major features for 9.1  ("Kevin Grittner", )
  Re: Major features for 9.1  (Roy Hann, )
   Re: Major features for 9.1  ("Kevin Grittner", )
    Re: Major features for 9.1  (Jeff Davis, )
     Re: Major features for 9.1  ("Kevin Grittner", )
 Re: Major features for 9.1  ("Kevin Grittner", )
 Re: Major features for 9.1  (Peter Eisentraut, )
  Re: Major features for 9.1  (Magnus Hagander, )
   Re: Major features for 9.1  (Peter Eisentraut, )
 Re: Major features for 9.1  ("Kevin Grittner", )
  Re: Major features for 9.1  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
  Re: Major features for 9.1  (Greg Smith, )
   Re: Major features for 9.1  ("Kevin Grittner", )
    Re: Major features for 9.1  (Greg Smith, )
     Re: Major features for 9.1  ("Kevin Grittner", )
 Re: Major features for 9.1  (Simon Riggs, )
  Re: Major features for 9.1  (Joshua Tolley, )
   Re: Major features for 9.1  (Gilberto Castillo Martínez<>, )
   Re: Major features for 9.1  (Thomas Kellerer, )

On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 01:18:35PM -0500, Josh Berkus wrote:
>
>
> > I assume you mean by "innovation" that these are things where
> > PostgreSQL
> > was the first DBMS to implement them. The risk with that is, unless
> > you
> > do very careful research, someone might debunk each of these within 24
> > hours after the release, making the whole thing look foolish.
>
> Well, we can hedge a bit.  But, better, can someone (preferably several someones) on this list volunteer to do
research? Anyone? 
>
> >
> > Moreover, the fact that something might have been innovated doesn't
> > explain how it helps the user.
>
> Truthfully, for a press release, it doesn't matter.  Many reporters/bloggers will happily quote that we're the first
databasewith SSI without having a clue what it means.  In general, most reporters who cover databases don't really know
know(or care) much about databases regardless (or "NoSQL" wouldn't have the press it does).   
>
> >From a PR perspective, the important thing to get across is that the PostgreSQL project is innovating, implementing
newdatabase tech before anyone else.  This is critically important during a period where SQL-RDBMSes are being
portrayedas "old grandfathers" in a press more enchanted with "the new hotness" of recently invented DBMSes. 
>
> Now, for our users and for serious database geeks, we *do* need an elevator-pitch explanation of several features
whichtells them why they should care.  Several features in particular are not immediately obvious: 
>
> * SSI
> * wCTE
> * KNN-GiST
> * SE-Postgres
> * Transaction-controlled Synch Rep
>
> I would like to have volunteers from the advocacy list commit to taking on one of each of these features.  For each
onewe need: 
>
> a) a two-line explanation of what the feature is and why it's valuable (for the release notes, etc.)
> b) a wiki page with a more detailed explaination and examples oriented towards the beginning-to-intermediate
PostgreSQLuser. 

I'll take a whack at wCTE :)

Cheers,
David.
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