Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)

From: Andres Freund
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)
Date: ,
Msg-id: 201002021934.18444.andres@anarazel.de
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In response to: Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Robert Haas)
Responses: Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Robert Haas)
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8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb  (Michael Clemmons, )
 Re: 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb  (Andres Freund, )
  Re: 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb  (Michael Clemmons, )
   Re: 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb  (Andres Freund, )
    Re: 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb  (Nikolas Everett, )
     Re: 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
      Re: 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb  (Nikolas Everett, )
       Re: 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
        Re: 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb  (Nikolas Everett, )
         Re: 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb  (Scott Marlowe, )
          Re: 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb  (Scott Carey, )
           Re: 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb  (Scott Marlowe, )
         Re: 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb  (Scott Mead, )
          Re: 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb  (Scott Marlowe, )
           Re: 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb  (Robert Haas, )
          Re: 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb  (Greg Smith, )
           Re: 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb  (Michael Clemmons, )
            Re: 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb  (Scott Marlowe, )
             Re: 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb  (Andres Freund, )
            Re: 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb  (Michael Clemmons, )
             Re: 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb  (Andres Freund, )
              Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
               Re: [HACKERS] Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
                Re: [HACKERS] Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
                 Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Greg Stark, )
                  Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Greg Stark, )
                   Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Greg Stark, )
                    Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
                    Re: Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Greg Smith, )
                    Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Greg Smith, )
                   Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
                   Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Tom Lane, )
                    Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Greg Stark, )
                     Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Tom Lane, )
                      Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Robert Haas, )
                       Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
                        Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Robert Haas, )
                         Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
                         Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Tom Lane, )
                          Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Robert Haas, )
                           Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Greg Stark, )
                            Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
                            Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Robert Haas, )
                             Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
                              Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Greg Smith, )
                               Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
                                Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Robert Haas, )
                                 Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Greg Smith, )
                                  Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Tom Lane, )
                                   Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Robert Haas, )
                                    Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
                                     Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
                                      Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Alvaro Herrera, )
                                       Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Robert Haas, )
                                        Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
                                        Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Greg Stark, )
                                         Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
                                        Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
                     Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
                     Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Robert Haas, )
                   Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
                  Re: Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
               Re: [HACKERS] Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Tom Lane, )
                Re: [HACKERS] Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
                 Re: [HACKERS] Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Greg Smith, )
                  Re: [HACKERS] Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
                   Re: [HACKERS] Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Michael Clemmons, )
                    Re: [HACKERS] Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
                     Re: [HACKERS] Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Michael Clemmons, )
                      Re: [HACKERS] Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
                   Re: [HACKERS] Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Greg Stark, )
                    Re: [HACKERS] Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
                Re: [HACKERS] Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
               Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Greg Stark, )
                Re: [HACKERS] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
                Re: [PERFORM] Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (Andres Freund, )
                 Re: Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (, )
                Re: Re: Faster CREATE DATABASE by delaying fsync (was 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb)  (, )
            Re: 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb  (Thomas Kellerer, )
       Re: 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
     Re: 8.4.1 ubuntu karmic slow createdb  ("Joshua D. Drake", )

On Tuesday 02 February 2010 19:14:40 Robert Haas wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Tom Lane <> wrote:
> > Andres Freund <> writes:
> >> On Tuesday 02 February 2010 18:36:12 Robert Haas wrote:
> >>> I took a look at this patch today and I agree with Tom that
> >>> pg_fsync_start() is a very confusing name.  I don't know what the
> >>> right name is, but this doesn't fsync so I don't think it shuld have
> >>> fsync in the name.  Maybe something like pg_advise_abandon() or
> >>> pg_abandon_cache().  The current name is really wishful thinking:
> >>> you're hoping that it will make the kernel start the fsync, but it
> >>> might not.  I think pg_start_data_flush() is similarly optimistic.
> >>
> >> What about: pg_fsync_prepare().
> >
> > prepare_for_fsync()?
>
> It still seems mis-descriptive to me.  Couldn't the same routine be
> used simply to abandon undirtied data that we no longer care about
> caching?
For now it could - but it very well might be converted to sync_file_range or
similar, which would have different "sideeffects".

As the potential code duplication is rather small I would prefer to describe
the prime effect not the sideeffects...

Andres


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