Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?

From: Andrew Sullivan
Subject: Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?
Date: ,
Msg-id: 20071129121944.GC6226@crankycanuck.ca
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In response to: Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Marc G. Fournier")
Responses: Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Magnus Hagander)
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Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Andrew Sullivan, )
 Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Magnus Hagander, )
  Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Alvaro Herrera <-ip.org>, )
   Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Magnus Hagander, )
    Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
     Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Magnus Hagander, )
      Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Marc G. Fournier", )
       Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Magnus Hagander, )
        Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Marc G. Fournier", )
         Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Magnus Hagander, )
         Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
     Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Marc G. Fournier", )
      Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
       Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Tom Lane, )
        Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
         Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Marc G. Fournier", )
       Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Marc G. Fournier", )
        Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
         Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Marc G. Fournier", )
    Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Alvaro Herrera <-ip.org>, )
     Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Marc G. Fournier", )
    Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Josh Berkus, )
     Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Marc G. Fournier", )
      Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
       Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Dave Page, )
        Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Devrim GÜNDÜZ, )
      Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Josh Berkus, )
       Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Magnus Hagander, )
       Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Andrew Sullivan, )
        Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
         Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Andrew Sullivan, )
          Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
    Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Andrew Sullivan, )
     Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Magnus Hagander, )
      Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Andrew Sullivan, )
       Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Alvaro Herrera <-ip.org>, )
        Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Magnus Hagander, )
        Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Alexey Klyukin, )
        Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Andrew Sullivan, )
       Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Magnus Hagander, )
        Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Alvaro Herrera <-ip.org>, )
         Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Magnus Hagander, )
          Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Marc G. Fournier", )
           Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Alvaro Herrera <-ip.org>, )
            Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
             Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Marc G. Fournier", )
              Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Andrew Sullivan, )
               Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Marc G. Fournier", )
                Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Magnus Hagander, )
           Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
           Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Andrew Sullivan, )
            Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Magnus Hagander, )
             Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Marc G. Fournier", )
              Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Dave Page, )
         Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Andrew Sullivan, )
     Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Marc G. Fournier", )
      Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Andrew Sullivan, )
       Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Magnus Hagander, )
        Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
         Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Magnus Hagander, )
          Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Marc G. Fournier", )
        Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  (Andrew Sullivan, )
  Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
  Re: Can we please refuse mail to the list from list addresses?  ("Marc G. Fournier", )

On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 03:04:48PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> Wait, I think we're talking two different things here ... at least, I hope JD 
> is ... SMTP AUTH is required to send email *through* any of our servers, except 

Aha.

> MX ... but, what Magnus was proposing would have required CMD to setup their 
> MTA to do an SMTP AUTH to postgresql.org's MTA to send @postgresql.org ...

Well, this is possible, but it does make the mail server admin rather more
troublesome.

> 
> ie. if  sent out email, it would deliver to his local MTA, 
> with his local MTA connecting to postgresql.org MTA, who would then deliver it 
> out to the world ...

Right.  In the anti-spam world these days, very few people are doing reverse
matching (that is, very few people compare the reverse lookup of the From:
address to the domain of the MTA whence the mail is coming).  It'll be
interesting to see what happens as SPF or DKIM -- the two loaded foot-guns
of the mail world -- take off, because then signing practices will start to
be important, and I suspect we'll find that mail not signed with the right
keys will all be classed as spam anyway.  So then you'll _have_ to use the
domain's own mail servers, or things won't be signed correctly (because I
assume that we're not going to be sharing the server's private keys widely
:-)  

A

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Andrew Sullivan
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