Re: multimaster (was: Slightly OT.) - Mailing list pgsql-general

From Andrew Sullivan
Subject Re: multimaster (was: Slightly OT.)
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Msg-id 20070601194222.GN24299@phlogiston.dyndns.org
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In response to Re: multimaster (was: Slightly OT.)  ("Alexander Staubo" <alex@purefiction.net>)
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On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 08:40:13PM +0200, Alexander Staubo wrote:
> On 6/1/07, Andrew Sullivan <ajs@crankycanuck.ca> wrote:
> >These are all different solutions to different problems, so it's not
> >surprising that they look different.  This was the reason I asked,
> >"What is the problem you are trying to solve?"
>
> You mean aside from the obvious one, scalability?

Why is that the "obvious one"?  If that's your problem, say so.  I
have different problems.  I don't need 30 back end machines to keep
my website running.  Something obvious in one context is a misfeature
of pointless complication in another.

> appear a solution that could enable a database to scale horizontally
> with minimal impact on the application. In light of this need, I think
> we could be more productive by rephrasing the question "how/when we
> can implement multimaster replication?" as "how/when can we implement
> horizontal scaling?".

Indeed, this may well be a different problem.  In fact, if what you
want is "to scale horizontally with minimal impact on the
application", I encourage you to go out and buy the first database
replication system that will actually do that for you.  Not the one
that _tells_ you they can, the one that actually does.

I agree that horizontal scaling is a desirable feature, but I don't
think it obvious that multimaster replication, whatever that means,
is the thing that will solve that problem.

> I would love to see a discussion about how PostgreSQL could address
> these issues.

Well, a good start would be to list what exactly you do and do not
mean by horizontal scaling: what is the behaviour under various
scenarios.  That's a good way to list at least what the problem is.
(Your mail was a good start, but only a start.  Is RI required across
nodes?  Why not?  Why?  What is allowed to break?  &c.)

A
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