Re: Thought provoking piece on NetBSD

From: Bruno Wolff III
Subject: Re: Thought provoking piece on NetBSD
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Msg-id: 20060901160311.GA11124@wolff.to
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In response to: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD  (Josh Berkus)
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 Re: [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD  (Josh Berkus, )
  Re: [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
   Re: [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD  (Josh Berkus, )
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     Re: [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD  (Bricklen Anderson, )
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      Re: Thought provoking piece on NetBSD  (Shane Ambler, )
       Re: Thought provoking piece on NetBSD  (Tim Tassonis, )
   Re: [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD  (Bruce Momjian, )
    Re: [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
     Re: [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD  (Bill Moran, )
   Re: [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD  (Martijn van Oosterhout, )

On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 11:41:41 -0700,
  Josh Berkus <> wrote:
>
> In general, I think that people who harp on PostgreSQL's lack of a
> benevolent dictator as an inhibitor to progress are people who are not
> comfortable with democracy and are looking for excuses why company X needs
> to "take over the project for its own good."

I think Postgres is best described as ruled by an Oligarchy. I would expect
a democracy to at least include all of the developers in votes. However
when things are decided by a vote rather than consensus it is core that votes.
(I think Debian would be a good example of an open source project run as a
democracy.)

On a related comment to that story, there have been a fair number of people
stating that they think the GPL vs BSD license has been very important in
getting companies to give back to the project. I think Postgres has done quite
well with having companies give back code and resources to the project and
makes a good counter example to these claims. There probably are some license
effects, but other things also affect companies' decisions on giving back
to projects they benefit from.


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