Re: majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored? - Mailing list pgsql-general

# scrappy@postgresql.org / 2006-02-26 19:01:58 -0400:
> 'k, I just checked all the lists you listed, and you are subscribed to
> each of them ... are you not receiving messages?

    I'm not receiving messages because I'm subscribed with nomail.
    That's not the problem however. I want to receive the list traffic
    to a different set of addresses, and that stalled ("the request must
    be approved by the moderators"), as well as my attempts to gain
    pgsql-docs-owner@'s and postmaster@'s attention.

    Does anyone read mail for the pgsql-<list>-owner@ and postmaster@
    aliases? Does anyone pay attention to the approval queue?

    Anyway, here's a few snippets from my last year's email
    conversations with majordomo@postgresql.org.

    My subscription requests:

    : Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:17:37 +0200
    : From: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser@sigpipe.cz>
    : To: majordomo@postgresql.org
    :
    : subscribe-set pgsql-docs noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-docs#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
    : subscribe-set pgsql-general noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
    : subscribe-set pgsql-hackers noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-hack#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
    : subscribe-set pgsql-performance noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-perf#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
    : subscribe-set pgsql-sql noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-sql#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
    : subscribe-set pgsql-docs nomail neuhauser@sigpipe.cz
    : subscribe-set pgsql-general nomail neuhauser@sigpipe.cz
    : subscribe-set pgsql-hackers nomail neuhauser@sigpipe.cz
    : subscribe-set pgsql-performance nomail neuhauser@sigpipe.cz
    : subscribe-set pgsql-sql nomail neuhauser@sigpipe.cz

    Majordomo replied with the usual batch of CONFIRM messages, one of
    which was:

    : Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:17:39 -0300
    : From: pgsql-general-owner@postgresql.org
    : To: neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
    : Subject: CA86-08AC-51A7 : CONFIRM from pgsql-general (subscribe)
    :
    : __
    : The following request
    :
    :   "subscribe-set pgsql-general noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz"
    :
    : was sent to
    : by Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser@sigpipe.cz>.
    :
    : To accept or reject this request, please do one of the following:
    :
    : 1. If you have web browsing capability, visit
    :    <http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_confirm/domain=postgresql.org?t=CA86-08AC-51A7>
    :    and follow the instructions there.
    :
    : 2. Reply to majordomo@postgresql.org
    :    with one of the following two commands in the body of the message:
    :
    :     accept
    :     reject
    :
    :    (The number CA86-08AC-51A7 must be in the Subject header)
    :
    : 3. Reply to majordomo@postgresql.org
    :    with one of the following two commands in the body of the message:
    :
    :     accept CA86-08AC-51A7
    :     reject CA86-08AC-51A7
    :
    : Your confirmation is required for the following reason(s):
    :
    :   Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser@sigpipe.cz> issued a command
    :   that affects another address (neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz).
    :
    :
    : If you do not respond within 4 days, a reminder will be sent.
    :
    : If you do not respond within 7 days, this token will expire,
    : and the request will not be completed.
    :
    : If you would like to communicate with a person,
    : send mail to pgsql-general-owner@postgresql.org.

    I replied to that with:

    : Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:37:28 +0200
    : From: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz>
    : To: majordomo@postgresql.org
    : Subject: Re: CA86-08AC-51A7 : CONFIRM from pgsql-general (subscribe)
    :
    : accept

    To which majordomo said:

    : Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:37:29 -0300
    : From: majordomo-owner@postgresql.org
    : To: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz>
    : Subject: Majordomo results: Re: CA86-08AC-51A7 : CONFIRM from pgsql-
    :
    :
    : >>>> accept
    : ---- The accept command for token CA86-08AC-51A7 succeeded,
    : ---- but further approval is needed.
    : ----
    : ---- Now the request must be approved by the moderators.
    : ---- The results will be mailed to you after this is done.
    : ----
    : ----
    :
    : Valid commands processed: 1
    : 0 succeeded, 1 stalled, and 0 failed.
    :
    :
    : Use the following command:
    :   sessioninfo 12bbdbfc049f53e9c1782cc9c10c6310e23e504f
    : to see technical information about this session.

    And that was the end of the conversation, I'm still waiting for a
    reply to my message to postmaster@ from December, and another one to
    pgsql-docs-owner@ from last August (covering the same problem):

    : Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:40:15 +0200
    : From: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser@sigpipe.cz>
    : To: pgsql-docs-owner@postgresql.org
    : Subject: majordomo command processing problems?
    :
    : Hello,
    :
    : I tried to subscribe to pgsql-docs seven days ago:
    :
    : >>>> subscribe pgsql-docs neuhauser+pgsql-docs#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
    : ---- The subscribe command did not succeed.
    : ----
    : ---- The request
    : ----   "subscribe pgsql-docs neuhauser+pgsql-docs#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz"
    : ---- must be confirmed by
    : ----   neuhauser+pgsql-docs#postgresql.org@sigpipe.cz
    : ---- and approved by the moderators.  Confirmation instructions have been
    : ---- mailed in a separate message.
    :
    : And then:
    :
    : >>>> accept 9E0C-7AF7-36CA
    : ---- The accept command for token 9E0C-7AF7-36CA succeeded,
    : ---- but further approval is needed.
    : ----
    : ---- Now the request must be approved by the moderators.
    : ---- The results will be mailed to you after this is done.
    :
    : Can you please expedite the approval a bit? (Do you really approve all
    : subscriptions by hand, or was my subscription attempt somehow
    : "suspicious"?)

    Is this a bug in majordomo, or in the postgresql.org setup?

    Similarly, should I expect my possible future emails to the owner
    and postmaster aliases to generate zero replies as well?

> On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
> ># scrappy@postgresql.org / 2006-02-26 14:36:47 -0400:
> >>On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
> >>>I've been waiting five months for the majordomo moderators to approve
> >>>my subscription requests to several @postgresql.org mailing lists.
> >>
> >>the majordomo moderators don't have to approve subscribe requests, you
> >>will auto-receive an email message from the list confirming that you do
> >>want to subscribe though ... its a fairly automated procedure ... if you
> >>aren't receiving the 'confirm' messages, then there is an overall problem
> >>with mail deliver ...
> >>
> >>checking pgsql-general, you are already subscribed ... what other lists
> >>are you trying to get onto?
> >
> >   A copy of the message I sent to postmaster@postgresql.org last
> >   december is attached. I think it has all the evidence of approval
> >   being required you need.

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