Re: Hardware upgrade for a high-traffic database - Mailing list pgsql-performance

Hi Rod,

Actually, we're already using a substantial caching system in code for
nearly all pages delivered - we've exhausted that option.  Our system uses a
login/session table for about 1/8 of our page views (those visitors who are
logged in), and has tracking features.  While I'd love to scrap them and
give the database server a vacation, it's a requirement for us.

You're correct about the query caching (stored in memory) being used - most
of our queries are run once and then come from memory (or, based on speed of
consecutive executions, that seems to be the case).  Once a user hits a page
for the first time in an hour or so, it seems to cache their session query.

The issue that I think we're seeing is that the performance on the 3Ware
RAID is quite bad, watching FreeBSD systat will show it at "100% busy" at
around "3.5 MB/s".  When it needs to seek across a table (for, say, an
aggregate function - typically a COUNT()), it slows the entire server down
while working on the disk.  Additionally, VACUUM's make the server
practically useless.  We have indexes on everything that's used in queries,
and the planner is using them.

The server has 2GB of physical memory, however it's only uses between 130MB
and 200MB of it.  Postgres is the only application running on the server.

Our pertinent settings look like this:

max_connections = 512

shared_buffers = 20000
sort_mem = 2000
vacuum_mem = 20000
effective_cache_size = 300000

fsync = false
wal_sync_method = fsync
wal_buffers = 32

checkpoint_segments = 2
checkpoint_timeout = 30
commit_delay = 10000

Typically, we don't use anywhere near the 512 connections - however there
are peak hours where we come close, and other times that we eclipse it and
run out (should some connections become serialized due to a slowdown).  It's
not something that we can comfortably lower.

The non-standard checkpoint settings have helped making it less likely that
a large (in disk time) query will conflict with a checkpoint write.

I'm a programmer - definitely not a DBA by any stretch - though I am forced
into the role.  From reading this list, it seems to me that our settings are
reasonable given our usage, and that a disk upgrade is likely in order.

I'd love to hear any suggestions.

Thanks,

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Taylor [mailto:pg@rbt.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 7:07 PM
To: Jason Coene
Cc: Postgresql Performance
Subject: Re: [PERFORM] Hardware upgrade for a high-traffic database

> Our database is about 20GB on disk, we have some quite large tables - 2M
> rows with TEXT fields in a sample table, accessed constantly.  We average
> about 4,000 - 5,000 queries per second - all from web traffic.  As you can

99% is reads? and probably the same data over and over again? You might
want to think about a small code change to cache sections of page output
in memory for the most commonly generated pages (there are usually 3 or
4 that account for 25% to 50% of web traffic -- starting pages).

The fact you're getting 5k queries/second off IDE drives tells me most
of the active data is in memory -- so your actual working data set is
probably quite small (less than 10% of the 20GB).


If the above is all true (mostly reads, smallish dataset, etc.) and the
database is not growing very quickly, you might want to look into RAM
and RAM bandwidth over disk. An Opteron with 8GB ram using the same old
IDE drives. Get a mobo with a SCSI raid controller in it, so the disk
component can be upgraded in the future (when necessary).