Re: [HACKERS] Are we losing momentum? - Mailing list pgsql-patches

Personally, I think adding the SHOW commands would be a good thing ...
psql is nice with its \df to get information without having to learn all
the JOINs required ... having that ability easily from any of the
interfaces would definitely be a plus ... to me, its not about MySQL
compatibility, but about a small improvement to ease of use :)

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, Bruce Momjian wrote:

>
> I assume we agreed against adding a MySQL mode --- just verifying.
>
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>
> Sean Chittenden wrote:
> > > > That's a pretty reasonable thought. I work for a shop that sells
> > > > Postgres support, and even we install MySQL for the Q&D ticket
> > > > tracking system we recommend because we can't justify the cost to
> > > > port it to postgres. If the postgres support were there, we would
> > > > surely be using it.
> > >
> > > > How to fix such a situation, I'm not sure. "MySQL Compatability
> > > > Mode," anyone? :-)
> > >
> > > What issues are creating a compatibility problem for you?
> >
> > I don't think these should be hacked into the backend/libpq, but I
> > think it'd be a huge win to hack in "show *" support into psql for
> > MySQL users so they can type:
> >
> >      SHOW (databases|tables|views|functions|triggers|schemas);
> >
> > I have yet to meet a MySQL user who understands the concept of system
> > catalogs even though it's just the 'mysql' database (this irritates me
> > enough as is)... gah, f- it: mysql users be damned, I have three
> > developers that think that postgresql is too hard to use because they
> > can't remember "\d [table name]" and I'm tired of hearing them bitch
> > when I push using PostgreSQL instead of MySQL.  I have better things
> > to do with my time than convert their output to PostgreSQL.  Here goes
> > nothing...
> >
> > I've tainted psql and added a MySQL command compatibility layer for
> > the family of SHOW commands (psql [-m | --mysql]).
> >
> >
> > The attached patch does a few things:
> >
> > 1) Implements quite a number of SHOW commands (AGGREGATES, CASTS,
> >    CATALOGS, COLUMNS, COMMENTS, CONSTRAINTS, CONVERSIONS, DATABASES,
> >    DOMAINS, FUNCTIONS, HELP, INDEX, LARGEOBJECTS, NAMES, OPERATORS,
> >    PRIVILEGES, PROCESSLIST, SCHEMAS, SEQUENCES, SESSION, STATUS,
> >    TABLES, TRANSACTION, TYPES, USERS, VARIABLES, VIEWS)
> >
> >    SHOW thing
> >    SHOW thing LIKE pattern
> >    SHOW thing FROM pattern
> >    SHOW HELP ON (topic || ALL);
> >    etc.
> >
> >    Some of these don't have \ command eqiv's.  :( I was tempted to add
> >    them, but opted not to for now, but it'd certainly be a nice to
> >    have.
> >
> > 2) Implements the necessary tab completion for the SHOW commands for
> >    the tab happy newbies/folks out there.  psql is more friendly than
> >    mysql's CLI now in terms of tab completion for the show commands.
> >
> > 3) Few trailing whitespace characters were nuked
> >
> > 4) guc.c is now in sync with the list of available variables used for
> >    tab completion
> >
> >
> > Few things to note:
> >
> > 1) SHOW INDEXES is the same as SHOW INDEX, I think MySQL is wrong in
> >    this regard and that it should be INDEXES to be plural along with
> >    the rest of the types, but INDEX is preserved for compatibility.
> >
> > 2) There are two bugs that I have yet to address
> >
> >    1) SHOW VARIABLES doesn't work, but "SHOW [TAB][TAB]y" does
> >    2) "SHOW [variable_of_choice];" doesn't work, but "SHOW
> >       [variable_of_choice]\n;" does work... not sure where this
> >       problem is coming from
> >
> > 3) I think psql is more usable as a result of this more verbose
> >    syntax, but it's not the prettiest thing on the planet (wrote a
> >    small parser outside of the backend or libraries: I don't want to
> >    get those dirty with MySQL's filth).
> >
> > 4) In an attempt to wean people over to PostgreSQL's syntax, I
> >    included translation tips on how to use the psql equiv of the SHOW
> >    commands.  Going from SHOW foo to \d foo is easy, going from \d foo
> >    to SHOW foo is hard and drives me nuts.  This'll help userbase
> >    retention of newbies/converts.  :)
> >
> > 5) The MySQL mode is just a bounce layer that provides different
> >    syntax wrapping exec_command() so it should provide little in the
> >    way of maintenance headaches.  Some of the SHOW commands, however,
> >    don't have \ couterparts, but once they do and that code is
> >    centralized, this feature should come for zero cost.
> >
> > 6) As an administrator, I'd be interested in having an environment
> >    variable that I could set that'd turn on MySQL mode for some of my
> >    bozo users that way they don't complain if they forget the -m
> >    switch.  Thoughts?
> >
> >
> > I'll try and iron out the last of those two bugs/features, but at this
> > point, would like to see this patch get wider testing/feedback.
> > Comments, as always, are welcome.
> >
> > PostgreSQL_usability++
> >
> > -sc
> >
> > --
> > Sean Chittenden
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