Re: I just got it: PostgreSQL Application Server -- a - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

OK, perhaps application server is not an appropriate name, but what should
we call it?

Two issues:

(1) We should get this off hackers, but to where?
(2)My vision for this thing is that it is more than just PostgreSQL, it is
PG plus a lot of the popular add-ons and some new ones, sample code, all
with the feel of a "product." At the end of it, you'll be able to identify
the PostgreSQL components, but not the whole.

This is not a slam against the core team. The core team does a great job,
but the is a gulf between products like MSSQL and Oracle and PostgreSQL.
Yea, sure, you can get and use a lot of add-ons for PostgreSQL to do what
these systems can do, but many people can't or won't do that.

The "PostgreSQL Enhanced Server" (How's that name? Maybe we call it Zerver
and use PEZ?) idea is how to take the excellent core of PostgreSQL and
productize it in much the same way distributions take the Linux kernel and
may a GNU/Linux system.




> Even if I find the concepts as such very interesting, I think the term
> "Application Server" is very misleading. People would get very confused
> and
> place PostgreSQL in the same category as JBoss, Jonas, Apache Geronimo,
> IBM
> Websphere, BEA Weblogic to name a few well known App-servers.
>
> IMHO, you really need some other umbrella name for this.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Thomas Hallgren
>
>
> ""Carl E. McMillin"" <carlymac@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:000801c4508b$8c2ef3a0$6500a8c0@DEVSONY...
> Jumping on that bandwagon with all 6 feet!
>
> Carl <|};-)>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org
> [mailto:pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of
> pgsql@mohawksoft.com
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:38 PM
> To: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
> Subject: [HACKERS] I just got it: PostgreSQL Application Server -- a new
> project.
>
>
> I have been harping for the last few days (years, actually) about tweaks
> and
> changes to PostgreSQL for a number of reasons ranging from session
> management to static tables. I even had a notion to come up with msession
> on
> PostgreSQL.
>
> I have been incorporating full text search, recommendations, and a slew of
> other features into PostgreSQL, but you know what? While it does touch
> Postgre in a real sense, it is not strictly SQL. It is about how to create
> applications with PostgreSQL. That's what we're missing, Coneptually,
> PostgreSQL is strictly a database and the core team (rightly so) is
> fundimentally happy with that aspect of it.
>
> Maybe we need a pgfoundary project called "PostgreSQL Application Server."
> Like Apache Tomcat or regular apache or PHP, PostgreSQL could form the SQL
> base of a far more intricate and flexable framework that encompases a lot
> of
> the various features that could provide "application sever" features from
> PostgreSQL.
>
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