Re: Any better plan for this query?..

From: Tom Lane
Subject: Re: Any better plan for this query?..
Date: ,
Msg-id: 16165.1242141504@sss.pgh.pa.us
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In response to: Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Matthew Wakeling)
Responses: Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Robert Haas)
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Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
 Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Craig Ringer, )
  Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
   Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Chris, )
    Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
     Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Richard Huxton, )
     Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Craig Ringer, )
      Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Kenneth Marshall, )
       Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Matthew Wakeling, )
      Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
  Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Kenneth Marshall, )
 Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Heikki Linnakangas, )
  Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
   Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Simon Riggs, )
    Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
     Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Merlin Moncure, )
      Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
       Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Simon Riggs, )
        Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
         Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Tom Lane, )
          Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
          Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Simon Riggs, )
         Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Merlin Moncure, )
         Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Simon Riggs, )
          Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
         Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Aidan Van Dyk, )
          Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
           Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Alvaro Herrera, )
            Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
             Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri Fontaine, )
              Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
               Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Simon Riggs, )
                Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
                 Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Simon Riggs, )
               Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Heikki Linnakangas, )
                Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
                 Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Simon Riggs, )
                  Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
                   Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Simon Riggs, )
                    Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
                     Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Simon Riggs, )
                      Re: Any better plan for this query?..  ("Dave Dutcher", )
                       Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
                        Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Merlin Moncure, )
                         Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
                          Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Merlin Moncure, )
                           Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
                            Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Merlin Moncure, )
                      Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
                       Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Simon Riggs, )
                        Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
                         Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
                          Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Simon Riggs, )
                           Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
                      Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Tom Lane, )
                       Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
                       Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Simon Riggs, )
                        Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Matthew Wakeling, )
                         Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Simon Riggs, )
                          Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Simon Riggs, )
                          Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Matthew Wakeling, )
                           Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Simon Riggs, )
                           Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Scott Carey, )
                          Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Robert Haas, )
                        Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Tom Lane, )
                         Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Simon Riggs, )
                          Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Tom Lane, )
                           Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Robert Haas, )
                            Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Simon Riggs, )
                             Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Robert Haas, )
                              Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Simon Riggs, )
                     Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Scott Carey, )
                      Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
                       Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Scott Carey, )
                        Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
                         Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Scott Carey, )
                          Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
               Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Simon Riggs, )
                Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
                 Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Robert Haas, )
                  Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
                   Re: Any better plan for this query?..  ("Kevin Grittner", )
                   Re: Any better plan for this query?..  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
                    Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
                   Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Robert Haas, )
                    Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
               Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Stefan Kaltenbrunner, )
                Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
                 Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Stefan Kaltenbrunner, )
                  Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Matthew Wakeling, )
                   Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Simon Riggs, )
                    Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Matthew Wakeling, )
                     Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Stefan Kaltenbrunner, )
                     Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Tom Lane, )
                      Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Robert Haas, )
                  Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
   Re: Any better plan for this query?..  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
           Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Heikki Linnakangas, )
            Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
           Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Andres Freund, )
            Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Alvaro Herrera, )
             Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Scott Carey, )
              Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
               Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Scott Carey, )
                Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri Fontaine, )
                 Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
                 Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Simon Riggs, )
                Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
    Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Gregory Stark, )
     Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Simon Riggs, )
  Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Matthew Wakeling, )
  Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Tom Lane, )
   Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Greg Stark, )
   Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Robert Haas, )
  Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Simon Riggs, )
   Re: Any better plan for this query?..  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
    Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Aidan Van Dyk, )
     Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Stephen Frost, )
   Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Robert Haas, )
   Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Glenn Maynard, )
    Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
    Re: Any better plan for this query?..  ("Kevin Grittner", )
     Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
      Re: Any better plan for this query?..  ("Kevin Grittner", )
  Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri Fontaine, )
   Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Alvaro Herrera, )
  Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Robert Haas, )
   Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
 Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
  Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Richard Huxton, )
  Re: Any better plan for this query?..  ("Albe Laurenz", )
   Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
    Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Kenneth Marshall, )
 Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Merlin Moncure, )
  Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Merlin Moncure, )
   Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
    Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Richard Huxton, )
     Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Ries van Twisk, )
      Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
 Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Kenneth Marshall, )
  Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
   Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Kenneth Marshall, )
 Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Dimitri, )
  Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Alvaro Herrera, )
 Re: Any better plan for this query?..  (Simon Riggs, )

Matthew Wakeling <> writes:
> On Tue, 12 May 2009, Simon Riggs wrote:
>> No, we spawn then authenticate.

> But you still have a single thread doing the accept() and spawn. At some
> point (maybe not now, but in the future) this could become a bottleneck
> given very short-lived connections.

More to the point, each backend process is a pretty heavyweight object:
it is a process, not a thread, and it's not going to be good for much
until it's built up a reasonable amount of stuff in its private caches.
I don't think the small number of cycles executed in the postmaster
process amount to anything at all compared to the other overhead
involved in getting a backend going.

In short: executing a single query per connection is going to suck,
and there is not anything we are going to do about it except to tell
you to use a connection pooler.

MySQL has a different architecture: thread per connection, and AFAIK
whatever caches it has are shared across threads.  So a connection is a
lighter-weight object for them; but there's no free lunch.  They pay for
it in having to tolerate locking/contention overhead on operations that
for us are backend-local.

            regards, tom lane


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