Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?

From: Joshua D. Drake
Subject: Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?
Date: ,
Msg-id: 1246379026.20569.8.camel@jd-laptop.pragmaticzealot.org
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In response to: Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Rob Napier)
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Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Josh Berkus, )
 Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Selena Deckelmann, )
  Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Santiago Zarate, )
 Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Robert Bernier, )
 Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (David Fetter, )
 Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  ("Leif B. Kristensen", )
  Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Ron Mayer, )
  Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Shane Ambler, )
   Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Josh Berkus, )
    Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Rob Napier, )
     Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Shane Ambler, )
     Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
    Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Simon Riggs, )
     Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Josh Berkus, )
      Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Simon Riggs, )
       Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Simon Riggs, )
        Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Josh Berkus, )
         Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Joe Conway, )
         Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Simon Riggs, )
          Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
           Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Josh Berkus, )
            Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
             Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
              Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Josh Berkus, )
               Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Simon Riggs, )
                Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Josh Berkus, )
                 Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
                  Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Josh Berkus, )
                 Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Simon Riggs, )
                  Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
                  Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Josh Berkus, )
                   Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Simon Riggs, )
                    Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Josh Berkus, )
                     Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Santiago Zarate, )
                     Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Simon Riggs, )
                      Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Santiago Zarate, )
                     Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Simon Riggs, )
                      Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Josh Berkus, )
                       Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Simon Riggs, )
                     Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Robert Treat, )
                      Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Simon Riggs, )
                      Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Josh Berkus, )
                   Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Shane Ambler, )
                  Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Josh Berkus, )
                  Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Bruce Momjian, )
                   Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Simon Riggs, )
                    Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Rob Napier, )
                     Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Greg Stark, )
                     Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Simon Riggs, )
             Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Shane Ambler, )
      Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Selena Deckelmann, )
       Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Santiago Zarate, )
     Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  ("Gavin M. Roy", )
      Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
 Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (Josh Berkus, )
  Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
 Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  ("Gavin M. Roy", )
 Re: Joint user survey with EnterpriseDB?  (gabrielle, )

On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 10:12 +1000, Rob Napier wrote:
> Hi Everyone

> In the specific case of Enterprise DB, I understand that they provide
> invaluable support and contribute to the success of PostgreSQL. I
> strongly doubt that their management would EXPECT your support, but a
> QUID PRO QUO is certainly in order.
>

I disagree. With respect to EnterpriseDB and all other commercial
contributors. "We" the community have provided them far more than they
have ever provided us. EnterpriseDB as it exists today wouldn't in fact
exist at all if it weren't for the many millions of dollars worth of
code they received (and continue to receive) with "zero" investment.
The same goes for Command Prompt.

Yes EnterpriseDB provides a great deal of support to the community but
do not be fooled. They do so purely at the behest of a potential
commercial gain. (Note: I am talking about the corporation itself not
the community contributors therein)

I do believe it is in the communities interest to have a good
relationship with commercial supporters. However the idea that we need a
QUID PRO QUO system I believe is flawed. I would argue that
PostgreSQL.Org has become entirely too public with its commercial ties
and in affect has lost a lot of its community feel.

Joshua D. Drake


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