Re: OT: Canadian Tax Database - Mailing list pgsql-general

Sorry everyone, my bad, but I should have expected it.

I was not denigrating anyone, if you actually read what I
said you can not conclude that I was. My entire point was
that the Government does not hire the best qualified hardest
working people regardless of their sex, culture, origin
or any other non work related issue. I personally hire
and work with very qualified people who are very diverse
in non work related factors, and I feel it is advantageous.

Like Ted I have also been told that due to my non work
related features, that I need not apply. I have also been
in a position to be asked to resolve issues created by the
person who was hired, while working elsewhere for a company
providing services to that department. Not even a government
employee gets paid the $120/Hr it cost to have me resolve
the problem, so wouldn't it be more efficient to just hire
qualified staff, not necessarily me, but someone who was
actually the best person for the job?

Government Hiring = Quotas = Suck

On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 11:06 -0800, Omar Eljumaily wrote:
> Since this thread has already degraded, I'll offer my two cents.  The
> biggest screw ups in US history have been instigated by groups of
> privileged White men.  I know my name may sound otherwise, but I'm a
> White American male, so I'm not pointing the finger at another group.
> Let's see, Enron, Arthur Anderson, the entire Bush Administration and
> its fiascos in Iraq, Katrina, foreign policy in general, etc.  I've
> worked for large, major IT providers and I can tell you that
> incompetency shows no racial or ethnic boundaries.  It tends to exist in
> large, politically connected, no bid contractors, not low bid
> contractors or ones who benefited from affirmative action.
>
>
> Ted Byers wrote:
> >>> > Richard Huxton wrote:
> >>> >> http://www.thestar.com/News/article/189175
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "For instance, in some cases the field for the social insurance
> >>> number
> >>> >> was instead filled in with a birth date."
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Unbelievable. Sixty years of electronic computing, fifty years
> >>> use in
> >>> >> business and the "professionals" who built the tax system for a
> >>> >> wealthy
> >>> >> democratic country didn't use data types.
> >>> >
> >>> > This is Unbelievable? This is commonplace.
> >>> >
> >>> And due at least in part to government (and other institutions
> >>> operated by
> >>> damned fools) opting for the least expensive provider rather than
> >>> paying for
> >>> someone who actually knows what they're doing.  Just as buying cheap
> >>> junk
> >>> always comes back to get you, hiring incompetent fools that don't
> >>> know their
> >>> ass from a hole in the ground will come back to get you too.
> >>>
> >> Come on, they don't hire incompetent fools. The hire the people
> >
> > You CAN'T be serious!  Have you ever dealt with them or with the
> > consequences of their incompetence?
> >
> >> they need to fill their quota regardless of how well trained
> >> and experienced they are. I am not saying that non white males
> >> are in any way less competent than white males, but by removing
> >> them from the pool does not make things better. The biggest
> >> problem with quotas is not hiring less qualified staff, it is
> >> that less qualified staff know why they were hired and know that
> >> they are very unlikely to be fired, so they have little incentive
> >> to work hard or attempt to do their best, they can always fail
> >> upwards.
> >>
> > What does this have to do with anything?  No one here, except you, has
> > said anything about the profile of the people involved WRT race,
> > gender, religion, &c.  Nor has anyone said anything about
> > "qualifications".  The only thing that has been said is that, based on
> > what is seen in the "work", the people responsible for that work must
> > be incompetent.  It is an inference based on what is seen in what has
> > been done and has nothing to do with any of the prohibited grounds for
> > discrimination used as excuses for affirmative action.  And yes, I
> > have seen cases where less qualified, even unqualified, people have
> > been hired as a result of these affirmative action initiatives (and I
> > have been told, by HR personelle in government, that certain favoured
> > groups are deemed to be superior to white men, even if the favoured
> > party has no education nor experience and the latter have earned
> > doctorates and decades of experience), but no one has said anything
> > about such people being employed on the projects to which I referred.
> > But this is an aspect of our present society that is bound to
> > degenerate into a flame war, launched by the politically correct, so
> > we ought to say little, or even leave it alone.  Those in power tend
> > to be vicious, especially when there are no effective checks on their
> > conduct and no consequences for what they do.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Ted
> >
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