Re: Vote on Windows installer links - Mailing list pgsql-advocacy

From Santiago Zarate
Subject Re: Vote on Windows installer links
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Msg-id 4A56DCA6.7010302@zarate.net.ve
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In response to Re: Vote on Windows installer links  (Devrim GÜNDÜZ <devrim@gunduz.org>)
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Devrim GÜNDÜZ escribió:
> On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 18:34 +0100, Simon Riggs wrote:
>> There has been some discussion about the point that the PostgreSQL web
>> site leads people directly to the EDB web site. I have been prompted
>> to provide a count of people that find this objectionable, so let's
>> call a vote.
>
> I could not understand which problem are you trying to *actually* solve.

Me neither... i'm not still sure if he's talking about too many links to
EDB website and none to the company he works for (balance?)... or if he
wants to see how many of the people at -advocacy is Ok with the links to
EDB (i guess he should have done this _survey_ on -general or -*)...

I wont say anything that hasnt been said here already... but  i would
like to point this out:

I went to browse the website... to find direct links to EDB's website
found these facts:

The main Website leads directly to:
    * Designed By: http://www.tinysofa.com/
    * Featured User: http://wcca.wicourts.gov/
    * PgFoundry: http://www.pgfoundry.org/

But no EDB links... not at least there... (Took me a while to figure out
where... seriously... i though he was saying about links somewhere
else...) but there are some... at the downloads page... and even more at
the /downloads/windows and a link there saying:

««pgInstaller

pgInstaller is a Windows Installer package that offers advanced
configuration options. pgInstaller packages are only being maintained
for PostgreSQL 8.2 and 8.3.»»

So i went to the ftp directory thing and found this:

««The pgInstaller distribution of PostgreSQL for Windows is not being
maintained
for PostgreSQL 8.4 and above»»

That means, noone from pgsql has done this work...  but there's a link
for the 8.4 release... at EDB :/ what a problem... what to do?... is
there anyone from the community who would like to take in charge of all
this?... for people who only have other os's than windows... having to
develop something they wont just use... its annoying... i can tell
myself... so i doubt someone will just step in and say "I will". I have
few histories i can tell of this kind... from the Venezuelan LoCo
Team... So if EDB can give someone a nice check for doing the work...
why so much complaining... the links?... Then you should also complain
by the "Designed By Tynisofa" link which is shown 1000 times more than
anything else...

so i went to download the edb one click installer... and no registration
  needed... (can't install it, so i can't tell at all... no windows
here..) so what's the deal? They can't track the users who download
their installers...

I saw also live cd's that come with a nice pgsql install and so on... (i
would have saved myself some work... if i went there before creating a
cdbs... :/)

Man, developers in general... companies in general, like to have their
stuff done... if they work on windows... they want productivity instead
of anything else... if you want more potential users, give them what
they _do_ want... for example... the debian packages, should ask, if it
should create a new user, ask what it should put in the pg_hba
(conection, databases to use, user, auth method, etc...) but it
doesnt... <hint>we could fill a bug in the debian bug tracker and/or
ubuntu's launchpad for example... if its done, that would give a good
advantage :D over other databases... (i have a ugly script to do that
btw...) </hint>

> EDB is spending bucks for the installers (they have a core member for
> maintaining it, if nothing). I have no problem with downloading an
> installer which is linked from main page, since I know that I can trust
> any link which is in pg.org.
>
> Also, as mentioned before by people in this thread, if we are going to
> remove all external links, then you will only have Solaris binaries,
> very limited number of RPMs and source code, which are hosted at our ftp
> site.
>
> I must say that each month we have ~100-200 (sometimes 400-500) *new*
> PostgreSQL installations that are performed using yum repository, which
> is maintained by a community member, but whose pay check is signed by a
> commercial company for doing that work (+ many other company work, of
> course). By removing that link along with EDB's installer and others,
> companies *may* lose their interest in supporting such projects.
>
> So, please let's stop voting and let's spend our PostgreSQL time on
> moving the project to the future, not to the past.

+1 :)

Also... there was an interesting topic besides this one, and that's the
comunity survey... why we dont stop just losing time with this
conversation... since obviously... there are not enough -1 to tell "hey
let's remove those links" or i havent seen any -1 yet (besides josh's +1
and -1)... and go ahead with other things... like the website redesign,
having POP stuff ready at the website... so <hint>PUGS can do a better
job at events (We're having a pgsql booth at the 5th CNSL in
Venezuela)</hint>...

This is just my point of view...


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